What if you do what John Kerry, the -- the Democratic senator and major figure in foreign policy argues, and that is we ought to use our Air Force to crater their -- their air fields.

I do. And that's because President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have both been very firm that Gadhafi must go.

I don't see how they can retreat from it, or continue to let this sort of go on and on and on. At some point they're going to have to act.

We've taken the same risk in Egypt. We came down on the side of people who stood for democracy.

I do think the President has got some tough calls to make.

Egypt I think has a very good case for democracy. The people in the streets were peaceful.

Of course we should support the legitimate and genuine aspirations for democracy.

Every administration in recent years has made the bargain on the side of security as opposed to supporting in a forthright way the forces of democracy.

They were very wobbly in the beginning. ... Where I think they do bear some blame is in not developing some alternative plans should something like this occur.

But did they have a backup plan? No. Have they been consistent on this? No.

But I think you would agree that every administration in recent years has made the bargain on the side of security as opposed to supporting in a forthright way the forces of democracy that were building up and the protests against the…