David Gergen: “I think he's an extremely honorable man.”

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

I think a lot of Americans do see it as disqualifying. And they're worried about it.

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.