John Johnston: “I ask the Senator a second question and maybe even a more salient question which is, as a businessman if the Senator…”

The actual wording is not that the trip is not substantially recreational, but that the activities as part of the trip are not substantially recreational, which I think is a significant difference because you can have a serious trip that…

It is my understanding of S. 1935 that it will be practically impossible for Members to make an effort, either directly or indirectly, to assist worthwhile causes--that is, tax-exempt, charitable entities.

Yes. When you go to, say, the Opera Ball, I do not know what one of these dinners down here will cost. You go down at the hotel. I do not feel like I am really being entertained. I feel like I am doing when I go to those things at the…

All I am saying, I think that is entirely correct, and ours allows that. The difference is ours is limited to $75, yours is unlimited, except yours is close personal friend. All I am saying is that the Senator from Minnesota, in quavering…