Rand Paul: “I think without question, they can get him on lying to Congress.”

No one's ever heard an apology from him. All they hear is sort of the idea that he never did anything wrong and that there's nothing wrong with that.

The next step will be when we send the referral over directly to the Department of Justice.

A court ultimately would have to determine: Does the Fifth Amendment apply to someone who already has a pardon?

Holding a witness in contempt is a serious thing, and it should be rare.