11/13/2020
https://www.msnbc.com...
"If I vote for the $5 trillion debt, who's left in Washington that cares about the debt?"
"Look, I want to vote for it. I'm for the tax cuts. I voted for the tax cuts before. I want the tax cuts to be permanent, but at the same time, I don't want to raise the debt ceiling $5 trillion."
"the math doesn't really add up"
"There's nothing fiscally conservative about expanding the debt ceiling more than we've ever done it before."