Exactly. Exactly. That would be one of the sort of fundamental things I have.
I think it would be good for us to know.
I mean, there was a collective gasp when you said Government maybe really doesn't know what it has.
It doesn't appear that we are making progress.
Then VanRoekel, he comes up and says today he is proud to announce the $1.37 billion in savings.
We have tried several tools that don't seem to be that effective.
But you are still developing tools to evaluate all of this...
So what is the good news?
That is the end results in providing the IT services, but when you have, okay, let's go back to Powner is telling me, what did you testify, ...
Expect to, but how many?
We may be calling her back. But this is an ongoing process.