Well, there may be a very legitimate purchase requirement. But for the rest of DHS, it's $31,000 that we have been able to identify.

I think it's an important responsibility not only of this committee but the Congress, to see how taxpayer dollars are expended.

In my own area in central Florida, I had a housing director and a director who came in after I had gotten the housing authority taken over by HUD.

Well, again, we can pass a law, but the law has to be enforced, and there has to be consequences.

We were absolutely startled, Ms. Richards, when we saw at one Starbucks in California, $12,000 worth of purchases.

I want to thank, again, Mr. Connolly for his steadfast commitment to, again, going after abuses where we see it.

Okay. And Mr. Lewis, in your testimony, you just testified that you found about 35 percent of the purchases with a credit card were abusive or noncompliant.

Again, we want the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

I thank my ranking member Mr. Connolly for being here and for our negotiating and working together to make this hearing a reality.

I think that--yeah. I think that you should be aware, particularly where there is the slaughter of innocent civilians...

So even to date we have risks. Is that correct?

I also see that you say that the GAO report strongly asserts that testing of the Website still remains insecure.