The outline of the President's bill has not come from leaks, but from briefings of the press, and if your concern is you do not have a bill yet, then I can only say that you will have a bill soon, and the bill you have will be better…

Your bill calls for job search. What Mary needs is training because in the steel town----

I remind you it is a Democratic President who has come forward with the notion that we should fundamentally change welfare as we know it. We are not foolish, however. As I said in my statement a moment ago, there is no free lunch or cheap…

Sixty-eight percent of the American people are saying that they are willing to pay more to clear the rolls. I want to ask you about a person like a hypothetical Mary who worked all of her life, lived in a steel town, got laid off, used up…

But the President's bill has not been submitted yet and is a testament to his desire to make sure we do not have to raise our taxes in order to reform the welfare system and that we indeed have an effective system when he presents his…

Even before the President submitted his health care reform bill, it was clear he had taken the lead on that issue. He has made the crisis of the welfare system an issue for the first time in this country, and, when it comes to overall…

The gentleman would deny benefits even to legal aliens and, as a result, create problems for us that we do not have now because, as the Supreme Court said in the case involving some public schools, students----

It is encouraging the working poor to work instead of going on welfare. Why did not the Republicans who, the gentleman is right, supported this year after year, simply embraced this welfare prevention bill?

Mr. Franks, a favorite scholar of the Republican persuasion, Mr. Charles Murray, has drawn a distinction of late between how he would treat divorced mothers and never-married mothers. He would, he said, deny benefits to the children of…

Mr. Shaw, you concede that training has to be a part of any successful strategy to remove people off the welfare rolls?

If you provide her with a job, of course, you provide her with a job at less than the living wage. Suppose that job, however, suppose even after that she cannot find a job, you then throw her off welfare anyway.

I want to ask you one other question, a very important concession you made on Charles Murray. Do you also reject his notion that we should end welfare immediately and, rather, embrace the bill that the Republicans now have?