I think Washington has been ignoring that we have a major--government has been through years and years of furloughs, and we can learn some lessons from them.

Well, let us catch up to modern times and modern farming practices. Where are you doing this research?

Well, that is the point. You are inventing things and finding things that can't be used. That doesn't help the farmer.

But will it allow the States then, if you deregulate and it is up to the States, and a State says we do not like this light brown apple moth coming into our country, we are not taking any product from Napa County...

I want to get that program vigorously upgraded so that we do not lose the capacity to keep that seed corn of intellectual knowledge.

I really appreciate your comments about needing to invest in research.

If it is terrorism-oriented, we will put money toward it. But we don't think of the financial world as also being part of our national security.

I think this hearing has been, for me, of all the years I have been on the Committee, this has been a very interesting one.

I think that as long as you are committing to keep both going.

I think I am always interested in moving more of it to competitive.

I mean, I am just frustrated. You know, our enemies have been able to invent nuclear bombs faster than we can find an alternative to methyl bromide.

I think it is smart. The military uses that, and we suggested that you develop a priority strategy for capital outlays.