But are you seeing numbers increase out there? Are you seeing more and more people participate?

I have a couple of them here in the room with me right now. But one thing I've noticed is that when you hire a veteran, they want to hire other veterans.

one of the initiatives that you're trying to set aside a savings plan for the veterans.

I actually met with a business owner earlier today, and he said he hires veterans.

Well, that's one of the things that SBA is talking about, trying to make that information more available, more accessible.

I hire vets.

access to capital is also something that's absolutely critical

We need to think about that. All the veterans know this, but in the world of the military, there's the active component, the active duty folks, and then there's the reserve component, which is Guard and Reserve.

You're focusing on a very important segment of the U.S. economy and a very important part of Arkansas' economy.

So we've gone through this discussion, and I know that some of this may have prompted other ideas or suggestions or stories on your part.

We really appreciate what SBA does, and we know that keying in on the veterans' needs... is really going to pay big dividends for everybody.