David McKinley actually said...

"Thank you again for having this hearing on this."

"I just don't want anything to come in between the government or whatever and energy efficiency and Energy Star."

"I am a strong advocate of IV&V--independent verification and validation--that we've used in NASA and elsewhere where we have someone else looking at it."

"When you see a UL rating you know it's good. You know it has been done independently, and the same thing with FM."