David McKinley actually said...

Thank you again for having this hearing on this.

I just don't want anything to come in between the government or whatever and energy efficiency and Energy Star.

I am a strong advocate of IV&V--independent verification and validation--that we've used in NASA and elsewhere where we have someone else lo...

When you see a UL rating you know it's good. You know it has been done independently, and the same thing with FM.