David McKinley actually said...

"I just don't want anything to come in between the government or whatever and energy efficiency and Energy Star."

"I am a strong advocate of IV&V--independent verification and validation--that we've used in NASA and elsewhere where we have someone else looking at it."

"When you see a UL rating you know it's good. You know it has been done independently, and the same thing with FM."

"I really want to applaud the Department of Energy's efforts to refocus the narrative and the discussion about reliability and resiliency."