Competition solves an awful lot of problems, and we just do not have the competition, and certainly not in the PBM markets.

The biggest problem with PBMs is we have Medicare and their formularies, and it makes it so unbelievably complex.

The biggest problem with PBMs is we have Medicare and their formularies, and it makes it so unbelievably complex.

I think PBMs--this is a really interesting hearing, okay? But if you eliminate all the profitability and all the incentives for creating new drugs, you have not really made a dent in our health-care spend.

Do we not also need more consumer involvement?

Competition solves an awful lot of problems, and we just do not have the competition, and certainly not in the PBM markets.

Do we not also need more consumer involvement?

They're just flawed studies.

Then the economy will take care of it. If it's cheaper, we'll move investments towards those cheaper energy sources.

They're just flawed studies.

So let me ask. Who is doing these studies? I mean what kind of government grants are they getting from the agencies that want to prove climate change?

Yeah listen. I have the greatest respect for peer-reviewed literature.

Yeah listen. I have the greatest respect for peer-reviewed literature.

The costs that I've listened to in these five hearings pale, I mean pale in comparison to what we've already I would say wasted, $5 trillion trying to hold back the tides.

So let me ask. Who is doing these studies? I mean what kind of government grants are they getting from the agencies that want to prove climate change?

We just spent $391 billion that we don't have, mortgaging our kids' future.

We've already spent $5 trillion and haven't even moved the mark because the rest of the world is going to continue to do fossil fuels.

We just spent $391 billion that we don't have, mortgaging our kids' future.

We've already spent $5 trillion and haven't even moved the mark because the rest of the world is going to continue to do fossil fuels.

The costs that I've listened to in these five hearings pale, I mean pale in comparison to what we've already I would say wasted, $5 trillion trying to hold back the tides.

If you let in the competitive market system with consumers participating in it, you will get price transparency just as a natural part of it.

I think PBMs--this is a really interesting hearing, okay? But if you eliminate all the profitability and all the incentives for creating new drugs, you have not really made a dent in our health-care spend.

Competition solves an awful lot of problems, and we just do not have the competition, and certainly not in the PBM markets.

The biggest problem with PBMs is we have Medicare and their formularies, and it makes it so unbelievably complex.

Then the economy will take care of it. If it's cheaper, we'll move investments towards those cheaper energy sources.