So why is that not caught in the original 17, or 14 to 30 days?

Would you say that one of the reasons is because of the discipline of a private-sector marketplace?

OK, ``multiple billions.'' Are you talking $10 billion? Are you talking $15 billion?

I am not interested in the way Congress figures it. What does your profit and loss look like?

So, in other words, the Federal Government pumps money in, you count that as revenue, and then you still lose $500 million.

But the freight rail system is pretty profitable, correct?

One of the reasons we had budget surpluses in the late 1990s is government spending was only a little over 18 percent.

I am not satisfied with the progress, and I certainly have more questions that have not been answered.

Wow. So you can't tell me how much you lose in a year?

Taxpayers would like it, though.

So wouldn't that be the policy prescription, the first policy prescription is make sure that, rather than have the taxpayers subsidize that, we come up with a model where the people utilizing the track are actually paying for it?