05/12/2009
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"we can also not stop the beyond low-Earth orbit."
"I was, frankly, floored, as you know from our conversation, that it would be so blatant to take it right out of Orion and SLS and put it into Commercial Crew."
"we agree that we need to get the Commercial Crew up so that we are not dependent on the Russians."
"I know it doesn't seem like it, but this is going to be cheaper for the American taxpayer in the long run."