Mick Mulvaney: “We do that all the time with foreign policy.”

But, yes, it has always surprised me how that history has been revised, the history has been portrayed that it was because of the fight, because of the debt ceiling fight that we got the downgrade.

And what you`re seeing I think is folks, especially in my party, are looking at Donald Trump as damaged and something that might weigh down the party going into the midterms and into 2024.

No, never. Nor should they. That's an issue that was already litigated during the election. Voters knew the President could have given his tax returns, they knew that he didn't and they elected him anyway.

Look, what is - Mike Pence is a nice guy. But what is Mike Pence offering that 15 other Republicans, in the field, they're not offering?