Mick Mulvaney: “There is no question. At $16 trillion of debt, roughly, which is the public debt now, you are talking about interest…”

“So that will be fascinating to see how it shakes out at the Supreme Court,” he told Stateline.

It's a complete breakdown here tonight, Anderson. There is no question that to have 19 votes against Kevin. It's just -- it is outrageous.

I think it's absolutely personal.

That being said, there’ve been two areas where the states have almost always been entirely sovereign: That’s on booze and gambling.