10/05/2021
https://www.msnbc.com...
"But we are not going to play the demagoguery game, because change is afoot, and it is necessary."
"Don't lose it."
"What do they think about the proposed changes? Because the health care changes are not grandfathered, is that correct?"
"You just don't want to have too much so that it loses the whole advantage of being able to get more people to participate."