Lindsey Graham actually said...

I know this is hard, but that's the most overwhelming evidence I've heard that there is a real stigma problem here.

I think what we have is a resource problem, but, more than anything else, we have a holdover of stigma.

Okay. Major General Rubenstein and Brigadier General Sutton, is that disturbing?

That's the point. I mean that is an astonishing number, to me, if you had 780 contacts last year.