09/30/2013
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"It is ridiculous that this kind of thing goes on so repeatedly in the Federal Government."
"Well, all I am saying is that you certainly wouldn't have any trouble getting employees in, I think, probably 98 percent of the Country, paying those kind of wages, $24, $25 an hour, even if you told ..."
"But basically you are still paying the retirement and the health benefits?"
"I have been at this a long time. This is my 25th year on this committee, and I have been interested in this issue from the start."