James Lankford actually said...

"the EPA views businesses as an ATM to be fined, regardless of the determinations of an investigation"

"But, the goal of the regulation and of the statute is usually health and safety and environmental protection and such, and the fine, the penalty here, becomes a vehicle to help accomplish some of that..."

"I would hope that you are in the same position that we are working on health and safety."

"there has been a culture change from one of compliance assistance to one of scaring people into compliance"