James Lankford actually said...

But, the goal of the regulation and of the statute is usually health and safety and environmental protection and such, and the fine, the pen...

As far as, do you feel an obligation coming at you either legislatively or from a guidance that if there is a violation, that is a fine?

there has been a culture change from one of compliance assistance to one of scaring people into compliance

Well, this is something, I am saying, perception and reality.