James Lankford actually said...

the encouragement is, get the training, get the certification. Then you can help people actually get a faster return.

Thank you again for your testimony today and for your participation and for the engagement on this issue and wearing two hats.

Thank you very much for your statement and your preparation and the ongoing work there in that role.

So in previous dialogues that I have had with IRS leadership before, there is always the carrot and the stick conversation.