James Lankford actually said...

"we still struggle with evaluating effectiveness for our programs."

"To me, we have got to be able to evaluate this because the goal is not to throw money."

"It will affect everything that I purchase in the days ahead."

"But the challenge of it is, as far as the input to rulemakings, I know you have said every time it is used there will be opportunity for reply there, but the challenge is that now every time it is use..."