03/07/2023
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"Well, that certainly shouldn't preclude Congress, which is the legislative-making body, from suggesting some changes to ESA to put a little bit of fairness back into it."
"It is clear from listening to my colleagues here and to some of the panelists that the ESA, at least as it pertains to forests in this great country, is no longer an Act to help the survival of specie..."
"Nobody, regardless of what their politics are, say things are okay."
"Is there anybody here on this panel that thinks it is okay the way it is now?"