Kay Hagan: “How would you measure the effectiveness of these efforts?”

I think that's very important, because it certainly would degrade their capability.

It is vital that paid family leave be universally available in this country and it will take leadership from businesses and from Members of Congress to make that happen.

As you and I have both specified, and other folks have, too, 12 percent of workers overall have paid family leave.

I certainly understand the dilemma that goes with what you're going to do after the birth of your child.