I think it's staggering, to be honest with you.

I think the steps that they have outlined--that the Under Secretary outlined here, this morning, are consistent with our recommendations.

It doesn't even acknowledge what our fishermen have been doing: following for many years the scientific and regulatory of ICCAT and their recommendations, and now they're going to pay the ultimate price.

effective, fair, and transparent enforcement is critical to ensuring the long-term sustainability of these resources.

I understand the pain and agony right now in your fisheries, and we have a lot of lessons that we have learned in Alaska waters.

I was horrified to see some of these examples.

I just think that there's always a disconnect. It's one thing to make a decision in Washington, but what about the men and women on the ground trying to eke out a living?

What specific actions have been taken to resolve that question? I mean, it clearly is a dysfunctional relationship that exists.

It's not so much that you're doing it in Catch Shares, as where you're taking it from.

Well, there will be a seasonal impact. They have too much in the Summer and they will have no place to sell it.

This is a matter of life and death. That's what I don't understand.

Yes, we're looking at it now, but where were you then?

We have got to know. It's got to be independently verified.

We have an obligation to determine precisely where these massive breakdowns occurred that obviously with both the company and the Federal agency that failed to do their own due diligence.

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We have a lot of people out there who would do the right thing, but we shouldn't be penalizing them for doing so.

I think it should be elevated so we have that conversation, and that--more importantly, that he reports directly to the President of the United States.

Getting increasingly sophisticated? Yes. And how do we keep pace with that sophistication?

The problem is so pervasive, so overwhelming.

I'm sure you've all heard about last week's Cyber ShockWave exercise. I watched.

We have to, all of us, decide how to do this.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Forcing transparency, by the way--it's a strange analogy--it's the bathing-suit test.