09/16/2019
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"It is very important I think to have the psychology of counselors, of educators, to understand there are some kids who want to be maybe computer people that after 2 years of a junior school or 2 years..."
"Treating this issue, as I believe it is being treated, as a divisive issue, as a pejorative issue, is unfortunate."
"So that effectively the costs--the consequential cost of that, 2 million people, very, very substantial number, in my view probably in excess of the savings that would purportedly be made."
"The payline for extramural grants approval is now in the middle teens, as I understand."