John Sarbanes actually said...

"We need to try to address that and break those dependencies."

"I think many of our constituents would say that, too often, Congress is leaning in the direction of the big money and the special interests and away from the interests of the broad public."

"One of the reasons it is difficult to do that is because these industries have a lot of influence on how policy gets made."

"I appreciate that. Just to close, I would say that, within that larger construct, it can be frustrating sometimes."