John Sarbanes actually said...

I think there is plenty of evidence here that the mission you have of fair and effective enforcement of environmental laws... is not being f...

Are you aware that the State fines have also diminished over the last couple of years?

To me that would suggest that the Federal Government needs to step up even more and occupy this space in an aggressive and responsible way.

I just want to go back on an exchange you had a moment ago because you suggested--you seemed to suggest that the reduction in civil penaltie...