John Sarbanes actually said...

"Culture change can't happen if it doesn't start at the top, all the way at the top."

"I think that might give us some additional context and perspective on the potential impact that this freeze is going to have going forward."

"the hiring freeze and the impact that it's going to have on the ability of the agency to function at a high level and to meet the needs of the populations that it serves is obviously at stake here."

"obviously, a hiring freeze and other kind of resource restrictions on the VA that are imprudent can have an impact"