Ben Cardin actually said...

I think, though, that we want to have the numbers make good science that is achievable.

I want to talk about one additional tool that we are looking into, and that is a nutrient trading program to provide ways in which you can r...

I have run a farm, I have owned a farm, I know about farming.

I think that point is very well made, and on enforcement we would have to include non-point sources.