Ben Cardin actually said...

I just really want to thank our two witnesses. I found this very, very beneficial.

We could also concentrate on what we do about Russia. That is why there is a bipartisan bill here to put more pressure on Russia.

So we have defined the problem. We do not know a strategy to unlock their cooperation.

I agree with you. I understand Russia has limited interest. We heard they have limited interests in protecting the Assad regime.