John Kerry: “It is the President, as Senator Lugar said, who must show the way.”

In terms of global challenges and U.S. interests, yes.

We are not, I have not, President Biden has not, we are not saying to people, you should not fly.

Well, she is, in regard to, writ large, the energy policy. Sure, she is the primary.

The message coming out of this COP is, we are moving away from fossil fuels. We are not turning back. That is the future.