John Kerry: “You've never walked out and said, 'Boy, we got screwed in that one'?”

But, we could with battery. We could with-- there's ways to make that work.

The message coming out of this COP is, we are moving away from fossil fuels. We are not turning back. That is the future.

We are not, I have not, President Biden has not, we are not saying to people, you should not fly.

In terms of global challenges and U.S. interests, yes.