05/16/2023
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"So can you talk about that, Mr. Tobey? Essentially Qaddafi and Saddam wound up in the same situation, pretty much in the same ditch after they gave up their nuclear weapons programs."
"So then if I can go back to you, Dr. Allison. You draw an important distinction between material cheating and marginal cheating in your testimony."
"But if you look at Libya today, it is hard to say it is better."
"Do you think we should be more humble in terms of our public pronouncements of the goal to topple the Iranian Government?"