Well, no, it has taken you 10 years to update. I understand that takes time. You are using 10-year-old data.

This is actually what upsets my constituents. They understand the desire for safety, but they want it to be based on science.

All life is precious.

I appreciate having this hearing today. This is an important issue to a number of my constituents.

Well, thank you. I share that concern as well and hear that from constituents worried about instead of the agent they usually rely on or the folks that help manage their account at their employer, just worried about a navigator, untrained…

Not comfortable at all, unless I knew that they were a licensed, regulated entity that had to conform to continuing education.

Last week in a hearing, for instance, the HHS secretary did admit a felon could serve as a navigator potentially.

I think we all agree here that our veterans should not be used as pawns in this particular debate.

I appreciate that assurance, and your current work to make sure that is available for our veterans and, obviously, their families as well.

I think we are. We're very unified, and if Harry Reid is confused or the president of the United States is confused that somehow we're going to fold and let them win on everything...

I refuse to take that exemption and it's unfair to exempt members of Congress and the cabinet and big business and require it for all other Americans.