I think that is the type of thing that drives people mad at home to know that we are wasting money on unproductive audits.

Actually, Mr. Graves, I think the earned income tax credit, every year, about 25 percent of those payments are fraudulent.

for every dollar we were to place into the IRS, we would receive $4 back into the Treasury; is that how I understood your testimony?

So I am glad you said efficiency, because I think that is something we can all agree on...

I do not think that you can look at it as a percentage of the total budget because we cannot reduce Social Security checks or Medicare payments to make up for a dollar in either air traffic control or the Defense Department.

Anything you can do to provide leadership in that regard would be much appreciated.

And so it is pretty hard, I think, to explain to taxpayers why the federal government cannot find a penny of savings.

I would just say that with the taxes that went up about 12 weeks ago, and the new proposed taxes in the President's budget, the taxes that went up with the Affordable Care Act, I think it is a hard sell to the American people.

But let's agree to stop putting additional obligations on the American taxpayers, therefore we do not have to increase the debt ceiling.

But as we get into the debt ceiling debate, my hope is, and I am sure this will not occur, but I will say it because I just hope that you will consider this, that the rhetoric that the Administration has previously used on this issue has…

I think it is very, very relevant, and determining the motivation and determining the rationale is very critical to preventing this from ever happening again.