02/04/2023
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"I am not here to say we gotta make things back the way they were in 2023."
"Maybe, you know, right now, with the benefit of hindsight, I think most people would agree that is the case."
"Every time I needed something from him from the West Wing I got it."
"Don't back down. They'll back down when he screws up badly enough, not as often as I'd like, but they change their mind all the time."