Pete Buttigieg actually said...

Don't back down. They'll back down when he screws up badly enough, not as often as I'd like, but they change their mind all the time.

Maybe, you know, right now, with the benefit of hindsight, I think most people would agree that is the case.

Every time I needed something from him from the West Wing I got it.

I am not here to say we gotta make things back the way they were in 2023.