I think that does it for this hearing. And I have to say, trial lawyers may have influence but apparently not as much influence as the NRA around here.

So is there some concrete way that they know that somebody is trying to get their financial information or something so that they can just shut it down?

I think there needs to be criminal prosecution of these. Probably they just keep doing it because a fine, I do not think, is enough deterrence.

If there are certain things, certain kinds of information that we, particularly as members of this Committee, because we are very committed to helping our veterans, if there is certain kinds of information that we should make available to…

So once it is reported, though, is there any kind of prosecution that happens through the reporting?

We know that there are certain groups of people in our communities that are targeted for scammers and for all kinds of bad acts, including identity theft, et cetera.

We often talk in this Committee about the need for better collaboration between DoD and VA when it comes to improving the well-being of veterans in the long term.

It is one thing to report, but it is another for them to be able to shut it down on their own.

I hope that you will support our efforts to fund such a hub in Hawaii.

So, you're basically saying it is the Chinese government itself, or certainly an entity that is supported by the Chinese government, that is the beneficiaries.

We must message this to them. We must give them tools. We must give them data. We must help them.