Mike Collins: “You may have heard this. I agree with you in that there are some great PBMs out there that do work. We are not just…”

“You may have heard this. I agree with you in that there are some great PBMs out there that do work. We are not just saying PBMs in general. The other thing that bothers me is--and I have heard this from my pharmacist, and you, I know, have experienced this, and we have talked about it, and Mr. Loebsack has as well--my pharmacists, my community pharmacists, are scared to say something. They are scared to talk about what is actually going on because they are scared their contracts will get canceled. They are scared that they will get another audit. I am sorry. I am not a pharmacist. You can't audit me, and I am going to stand here and talk about it for the pharmacists because they can't. That is wrong. Anybody who wants to say that that is right, I do not understand that; but when you have got pharmacists who are just honest, hardworking people who are trying to run independent businesses and when they are scared to talk about their vendors to work a workable plan, what are we doing here? This should be easy.”