Tom Carper actually said...

But we are not making enough, as you know, and I feel and I think my colleagues feel there is a certain passion to want to step this up.

Their strategy at CMS and the MEDICs was to use proactive data analysis to identify the problems and prevent them before they occurred.

Let me just interrupt you again, if I may. Describe for us in terms that everybody could understand what a desk audit is.

If we want to recover these monies, in some cases prevent the fraud from occurring but recover monies that have been defrauded.