Tom Carper actually said...

"There is no substitute for jumping in the pool. We are not going to learn to swim unless we do that."

"We could learn from other States what they are doing well or what they did not do well. We learn from their mistakes."

"I think it is helpful and it is yet another reason why we have to turn these things on and try them rather than maybe build the perfect plan and only then confront it with the real world."

"I think you said you were going to yield to our friends from the Army and the Air Force."