Tom Carper actually said...

if you feed a person for a day, you can do that, but if you want to help a person eat for life, you teach them how to fish.

And now the STAR campus has been created, and about 4,000 people work there in all kinds of high tech businesses.

I think there is a balance here between making sure that we are providing the money where it is most needed and can be put to best use, but ...

It employed something like 4,000 people, and they closed it. We lost 4,000 jobs just like that.