Tom Carper actually said...

Let me just interrupt for a moment. As I said earlier to the first panel, sometimes repetition is helpful.

Some members publicly took him to task for that statement and differed with him on that.

If we retire 22 C-5As over the next 2 years, did I understand that the savings would be about $320 million.

Far be it from me to prejudge, but if later on the modernization program for the C-5Bs goes well...