Tom Carper actually said...

I would like to maybe put this hearing in context.

In order to do a tax reform that is going to be responsible, we need the full involvement of the Treasury Department.

We need to provide some certainty with respect to the Tax Code, and I think we need some more revenues.

It is obvious to you, it should be as Commissioners, that a lot of money is being spent under the rubric of 501(c)(4), a lot.