Tom Carper actually said...

I think Mr. Potter would--and he has argued here before--to point out, I think with some pride, the amount of costs that they have taken out...

Let me just throw out an idea here. I am trying to be entrepreneurial and trying to think of ways that you could be more entrepreneurial.

I would just ask that the people you have work on this stuff, put that in their calculations.

That was over, what, a couple of years?