Ed Perlmutter actually said...

I think we've got just a lot more work to do.

I think what we are struggling with is, what are you? I mean, you are a medium. You are an intermediary.

So I guess my dynamics are between you and OMB (Office of Management and Budget), how does it really work?

Remember, last year, you and the Under Secretary and I talked about these budget cuts, which last year were pretty draconian.